Clifford Arrow 5 + Greddy Turbo Timer
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 6:54 AM
Topic: Clifford Arrow 5 + Greddy Turbo Timer
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Subject: Clifford Arrow 5 + Greddy Turbo Timer
Date Posted: September 01, 2004 at 11:53 PM
this is the best forum i can think to place this topic in.  im assuming that i would use the accessory wire to a relay? thanks
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Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 12:39 AM
not sure what you want to do w/ the acc output wire, but yes, you do need a relay to output a proper (-) or (+) signal.
that wire usually used for channel 3 or most frequent, for trunk popper.
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Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 10:39 AM
what i wanted to do is install a turbo timer. have it set to 2 mins or so. but what i want is that when i get out of the car, hit the arm button on the remote and lock the doors.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 09, 2004 at 10:11 PM
any suggestions? basically i just wanna set it up where the car runs for like 2 minutes [aftermarket turbo timer], i get out of the car, arm the alarm [so the door locks]
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 10, 2004 at 11:06 AM
The problem is that you can't arm your car because ignition power is still supplied to your alarm by the turbo timer even with your key pulled out.
The trick to get the alarm to work is to have a relay break the igntion signal to your arrow 5 when the turbo timer is on. The Greddy timer has two outputs the blue and green wires (accesory and ignition respectively). You'll have to give up the ability of using accesory output while the turbo timer is keeping the engine running.
Instead of connecting the blue output wire from the turbo timer to the "acc" on the car, connect it to drive pin 85 on a stadard automotive relay. Connect pin 86 of the relay to ground. Then cut yellow wire coming out of your alarm (diagram you posted above). Connect the alarm side of the yellow wire to pin 30 on the relay, and connect the other side of the yellow wire (that previously went to the car's igntion or "on" wire to pin 87a on the relay.
The other option of turbo timing is to get rid of the turbo timer altogether and program the RED / white accesory output wire to a timed output and use it to run a relay to power the ignition for a set amount of time. Then before you turn your car off, just press the accesory output button of your remote before you shut the car off. Once again though, you'll need to use a relay to break the yellow ignition input wire to the alarm otherwise you wont be able to arm it as you're experiencing now.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 11, 2004 at 12:14 AM
cosmoworks, this is my interpretation of what you told me. as far as accessory power, i could care less becuase when i park, shut off the car, all i want is the car to arm and lock the doors while the motor cools for a bit. what im curious is where would the red and green wire connect too? i am assuming that the red [12v] goes to the batt or tap iono the yellow? and the green ... ? thanks again.
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 11, 2004 at 5:48 PM
Red goes directly to the battery, green goes to the ignition source (tapped in the same place as the yellow wire for your alarm... just remember to connect it to the key side of the car).
Your diagram otherwise is correct, EXCEPT change the key side of the ignition wire from pin 87 to 87a, since you want the circuit to be BROKEN when the turbo timer is outputting power otherwise you'll never be able to arm your car.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 12:11 AM
so connect the green and yellow together to the yellow on the ign side? im confused, earlier you said connect the alarm [yellow] to 87a and now i connect it to 87? thanks again for your help. cosmoworks wrote:
connect the other side of the yellow wire (that previously went to the car's igntion or "on" wire to pin 87a on the relay.
cosmoworks wrote:
change the key side of the ignition wire from pin 87 to 87a
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 12:12 AM
this is what i came up with after reading the post.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 12:13 AM
hopefully this pic will work, dunno why the other one isnt working.
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 1:02 PM
Other pic isn't working cause you didn't add the ".jpg" extension to the pic link  Yeah your diagram looks good... that's exactly what I meant. Give that setup a try.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 11:48 AM
one more quick question, i was thinking, couldnt i run the red wire from the turbo timer to ign 12v constant? thanks again
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 8:27 PM
Yes, you can run it to the big fat constant power wire at the key solenoid.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 26, 2004 at 11:37 PM
i tried it today and the problem is it doesnt keep the car running
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 27, 2004 at 11:21 AM
Did you connect the turbo timer's green output to the CAR side of the ignition wire, and NOT the KEY side on your starter kill relay?
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 27, 2004 at 12:31 PM
yes i did. i used a spdt relay to hook it up.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 27, 2004 at 12:34 PM
this was my new idea i was thinking about. 
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 28, 2004 at 10:34 AM
You hooked up both the starter kill relay and the ignition cut/timer timer output relay like this and it didn't work?
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 28, 2004 at 9:33 PM
i thought i only needed one relay?
Posted By: hagmanti
Date Posted: September 29, 2004 at 12:28 AM
One relay interrupts ignition (so alarm will think car is off), one interrupts starter (for alarm security).
I'm not familiar w/ the Arrow 5, so I don't know if it includes a starter kill relay...
Me
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 29, 2004 at 10:26 AM
Arrow 5 has both armed (-) output and built in starter interupt relay. The diagram I provided was assuming you were NOT using the built in relay. I guess there's no reason you couldn't use the built in relay.
If it's not working then test a couple of things...
1) Connect the turbo timer to the car (minus the blue wire, leave that hanging) as described in the manual. Connect the alarm to the car (minus the yellow wire, leave that hanging) as described in the manual. Does the turbo timer leave the car on and does the alarm arm?
Good, if so then goto step 2:
2) Put a test light or DMM to the blue wire on the turbo timer. Does it only light up after you pull the key out of the car after it's been running? If so, then good... the circuit I provided above should work. If not, then you could try step 3:
3) Ditch the extra relay that I told you to get. Instead put the yellow wire on a SPST switch. Connect one side fo the SPST switch to the yellow alarm wire, and connect the other side to the ignition of the car. Leave the switch in the off position. When you need to use your valet or to program your alarm settings, flip it to on... otherwise always leave it off. The drawback of this method is that you lose your ignition/rpm controlled doorlock feature.
Posted By: wchavez
Date Posted: September 29, 2004 at 4:38 PM
easiest thing to do is to use the built in timer on the trunk aux channel and set it to 2minutes and wire a relay as ch2-85 86 and 87 + car ignition wire to 30, yellow ignition to arrow5 on 87a and if you have more than one ignition wire needed just do this once per wire minus the 87a connection. Then when you go to leave the car you hit ch2/aux and the timer starts which applies power to ignition while disconnecting the yellow arrow5 wire and allows it to arm/lock and while the timer is active the shock sensor will be shunted. Doing this you would elimate the greddy turbo. I've done this on f-250's with factory turbo diesel.
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 29, 2004 at 8:17 PM
cosmos : do you have AIM? ive tested the blue wire and it does exactly that. when it doesnt get power to the green wire, [ie. shutting car off & taking key out], the blue wire gets power. ill try step one. wchavez: i dont want to do it taht way becuase i need my aftermarket turbo timer because it does other things than just count down. thanks again
Posted By: krayzie2k3
Date Posted: September 29, 2004 at 8:18 PM
cosmos: do you have AIM? i know for a fact that step 2 is correct. ive tested that wire. when the car gets shut off and key removed, blue gets power. ill try step one tomroow wchavez: i dont want to do it that way becuase i need to use my aftermarket turbo timer becuase it does more than count down. thanks.
Posted By: cosmoworks
Date Posted: September 30, 2004 at 12:53 PM
No, sorry I don't IM on AIM.
Just go through the steps I listed in the above post in that order and one of the solutions should work.
If not, post up your email, and I'll contact you via email and we can further discuss there.
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