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s_p_n_k_r_07 
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Posted: July 30, 2006 at 12:08 AM / IP Logged  

I got in an argument with a co-worker today about this......He called me a "hack" and I became curious as to what the actual meaning is.  He claimed it is when an installer does something of questionable integrity during an installation.

but I've seen installers that the word hack and them do not belong in the same sentence do things that some may call questionable integrity. After asking around the bay I found that everyone had their own oppinion as to what qualifys as "hacking" an install.

So...........I figured that some people in here would have some interesting input to this topic as they normally do when it comes to pride in install and I thought i'd throw it out there for everyone to input their own two cents.

JS

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Hack, or hacking to me, is doing short cut, half ***ed work....can I say that? ***ed? I was gonna say "rear ended"
Mad Scientists 
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Posted: July 30, 2006 at 7:04 AM / IP Logged  

What was the discussion about?.. To me, a hack is not a professional or not a professional job. Doesn't mean it won't work, just that it wasn't done in a professional manner. An example of this would be the AC unit I saw installed.. individual used a sawzall to cut a hole through a sheet rock wall and slid a window AC unit in.. we were trying to cool our office because the building AC blew up and management wasn't eager to fix it. While the hack job worked, it leaked water all over the floor, under the carpet and got everything moldy smelling.

More examples would be 'spit and twist' wire connections, use of twist on wire nuts, masking tape or duct tape used as electrical tape, etc. Many owner installs are hack jobs.

Jim

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Posted: August 02, 2006 at 12:58 PM / IP Logged  
To me it would be someone who knows how to do something the right way but would rather take shortcuts and half*** the job just to save a little time and get hi/her money faster.
And like mad scientist said most of the time the hack job will work but the installer knows that it isnt the right way to be done.
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Posted: August 22, 2006 at 2:08 PM / IP Logged  
Hacks... well they are the guys who's tool box contents consist of a leathermen, some duct tape, and probably a few scotch locks (for the really proffesional install they are doing). They take shortcuts to get the job done in a hurry to get to the next one (hence bumping their meager commision). Here in Mn we had a heck of a time with "hacks". They genrally started at a big box store and moved from one to the other until they would come into a semi decent shop and last about 3 days. (careere over) They get black listed (at our shop at least) and generally wither away into the sunset , never to be heard from again. The best thing to combat these guys is to come up with a pre hire test of your own makeing, with real life situations. This weeded out the guys who think they know everything from the guys who are really good techs.
The flip side to this is you work for a "corprate" guy who has been around for a long time. He has the creme of the crop for techs, he then decides to boost profits and require more work scheduled than the day or week allows. This in turn turns good techs into a sort of a hack due to the pressure and stress of possibly loseing your job because of time restraints. It then is up to the tech to say bye bye and move on to a shop that gives a S*&t about quality rather than quanity...
Nuff said
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Posted: August 22, 2006 at 10:44 PM / IP Logged  
Installation Hacking : Performing and completing an installation with limited experience or proper tools resulting in poor quality installations or damage to the vehicle or to the device installed.
Take in to consideration points that I bolded :
completing : Doing a quick fix because you are stranded on the road and have to get to a repair shop is not considered a " hack " job. If you purposely had a vehicle in your install bay and used Magic tape to cover your connections will be considered a hack job.
limited experience: Someone that takes on an installation where they have absolutely no clue where to begin. Having some mechanical skills doesn't mean that you can wire in a remote starter although will help because you would know what a coil or injector looks like.
poor quality installations : This term will be used loosely as different installer's have different levels of quality. One mans ( or womans ) poor quality may be another's OK quality..... it depends on your shops quality policy on this term used.
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s_p_n_k_r_07 
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Posted: August 28, 2006 at 12:07 AM / IP Logged  

If I had a nickel for every cut harness..............................

I remember the time we were removing a deck, four, and two amps from a dodge 4 door truck.  It was done at one of the more prestigious shops in the area and a fellow installer and I felt inferior while removing the equiptment.  The orignal installers after cutting the speaker harness in the door put butt connectors on the removed harness plugged it back into the factory speaker and bagged all four individually.  They made amazing adapter plates for the 6.5 componets in the front door 6x9 holes. The tweeters were in the factory dash locations and crossovers were tucked neatly but very high in each kick.........................after all the impressive work done and attention to detail that could only be appreciated if you could have seen the care taken during the install.........we get to the deck  expecting to be impressed with their trend of quality.  We find three out of four screws holding the kit in the dash, when we get the deck out the antenna cable had been cut and a motorola end poorly taped in place of the chrysler ant connector.   and the harness was cut...... but not only was it cut there was barely enough wire extending from the harness to see any of the colors.

I have no real point to this story except that even though 90% of the installation was above par the little part that was far below par made the entire install look bad.  (well not really bad but it's not as glorious as it would have been with a ten dollar harness and a nine dollar ant adapter) 

blackmica3 
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Posted: August 29, 2006 at 7:14 PM / IP Logged  

it can be used to describe something which is improperly implemented, ugly, or done in a quick and dirty way.


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